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• 1 janis_40 // Apr 23, 2005 at 8:00 am

  In a message dated 10/30/2003 8:17:35 AM Central Standard Time,
  HarryK@… writes:
  am trying to get an old in-ground pool that came with my house up and
  running. I got it kind of going this year, but want to do better next year.
  I have the following equipment, and am looking for owners manuals so I can
  use it better/properly:
  Hayward Power Flo 3/4 HP pump, unreadable model number
  Hydramax II(a Leslie’s branded Hayward) 1/2 HP pump, Model SP-LE-40010
  An old Hayward fiberglass sand filter, similar to the current S180T - the
  mfg label is gone.
  Anerson (Hayward) PoolVac
  I can’t believe Hayward doesn’t have these manuals at their site, but no
  luck there. I’m hoping someone has ANYTHING they could scan/fax/mail to me.
  I’d love a complete manual (users guide, parts list, pump curves, etc), but
  would be happy with just an exploded parts list.
  
  Thanks!
  Harry
  Harry,
  Hayward has exploded parts views on their website just select the product you
  want the parts for then select replacement parts. One thing I am going to
  say is that it is not worth your time to get parts for these items if in deed
  you have a powerflo pump and a sand filter that small.
  I do not remember my model numbers that well but a 40010 does not sound like
  a Powerflo number but you say it is a Hydramax which is the IG product line.
  It has been several years since Leslies has dropped their branded product
  line and went with hayward but they still have exploded parts lists in their
  “Parts Express” books which you can look at. The Hydramax is similar to the
  Hayward SP3000 series pumps but there are some differences.
  OK I just had a brain fart here and a 40010 is a 3/4HP Hydramax. It would
  have been 40010 for 3/4, 40012 for 1HP and 40014 for 1-1/2 HP and 40016 for
  2HP. There is really nothing magic about them and the key thing to remember is
  to keep the oring for the screw on cover lubed and get a lid wrench so you
  will not need to hit the cover with a hammer. Do not tighten the bolds holding
  the pump together very tightly as they will pull the brass fittings out of the
  pump body.
  The S180T is a very small filter and unless you have the smallest IG pool in
  the world I would say get at least a 3.14 sq ft filter with a side mount valve
  such as the S244S. If indeed the pump is 1/2 HP upgrade it to at least 3/4.
  As for the Poolvac there are exploded views on the Hayward site for all of
  the series Poolvacs and the cool part is that all of the internal parts are
  interchangeable between the old and the new except the turning mechanism which
  is
  the same between the vinyl and the new ultra. The Navgator is the same
  internally as the poolvac only the housing is different.
  Ken

• 2 Danny Fox // Apr 24, 2005 at 9:19 am

  Ken,
  Thanks for your reply. I had spent considerable time (hours?) on the
  Hayward site, and found nothing. Based on your assertion that they
  really did have exploded views, I went and spent another 20 minutes or
  so. Still nothing. So I searched on keyword “Parts” and BINGO! They
  make it hard, though.
  I have TWO separate pumps, the Powerflo and the Hydramax. The Hydramax
  has a 1/2 HP motor, according to the nameplate, but who knows. It does
  have a service factor of 1.6, and I know that pool pumps kind of play
  with HP ratings. It does say inground, and it is in better condition
  than the Powerflo, and it came with the sand filter I have. I’d like to
  use the Hydramax.
  The sand filter is rather small, but at a rated flow of 35 GPM, 8 hours
  gives me 1.5 turnovers on my 10K inground pool. Actually, I’d be happy
  with 20GPM, if I could get the flow down that low. While Hayward
  
  doesn’t have many pump curves on their site, I found one for the
  Northstar high performance series (I know, mine probably isn’t “high
  performance”) and at 55 feet of head (25PSI) for the entire system, the
  1/2 HP provides around 20GPM (just fine) and the 3/4 HP provides 70GPM!
  70GPM would overdrive my filter by a factor of two, and give me a total
  pool turnover in just over 2 hours!
  So, from a FILTERING standpoint, I think the 1/2 HP is probably more
  than adequate for my small pool. I have three questions:
  1) Will 20GPM run my PoolVac (I will shut all other inlets and run it
  on a dedicated suction line)
  2) Will it provide enough flow through the filter for effective
  backwash?
  3) How do I know for SURE if my Hyddramax is really 1/2 HP, since you
  recall it to be 3/4 (and from your previous posts, I suspect you know of
  what you speak!)
  4) I’m a mechanical engineer, so I understand this stuff. But I’m a
  new pool owner, so I am totally lost. Dangerous combination — what did
  I miss in all my analysis?
  Thanks!
  Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:24:57 EST
  From: electricjet@…
  Subject: Re: Looking for Hayward Owners Manuals
  In a message dated 10/30/2003 8:17:35 AM Central Standard Time,
  HarryK@… writes:
  am trying to get an old in-ground pool that came with my house up and
  running. I got it kind of going this year, but want to do better next
  year.
  I have the following equipment, and am looking for owners manuals so I
  can
  use it better/properly:
  Hayward Power Flo 3/4 HP pump, unreadable model number
  Hydramax II(a Leslie’s branded Hayward) 1/2 HP pump, Model SP-LE-40010
  An old Hayward fiberglass sand filter, similar to the current S180T -
  the
  mfg label is gone.
  Anerson (Hayward) PoolVac
  I can’t believe Hayward doesn’t have these manuals at their site, but no
  luck there. I’m hoping someone has ANYTHING they could scan/fax/mail to
  me.
  I’d love a complete manual (users guide, parts list, pump curves, etc),
  but
  would be happy with just an exploded parts list.
  Thanks!
  Harry
  Harry,
  Hayward has exploded parts views on their website just select the
  product you
  want the parts for then select replacement parts. One thing I am going
  to
  say is that it is not worth your time to get parts for these items if in
  deed
  you have a powerflo pump and a sand filter that small.
  I do not remember my model numbers that well but a 40010 does not sound
  like
  a Powerflo number but you say it is a Hydramax which is the IG product
  line.
  It has been several years since Leslies has dropped their branded
  product
  line and went with hayward but they still have exploded parts lists in
  their
  “Parts Express” books which you can look at. The Hydramax is similar
  to the
  Hayward SP3000 series pumps but there are some differences.
  OK I just had a brain fart here and a 40010 is a 3/4HP Hydramax. It
  would
  have been 40010 for 3/4, 40012 for 1HP and 40014 for 1-1/2 HP and 40016
  for
  2HP. There is really nothing magic about them and the key thing to
  remember is
  to keep the oring for the screw on cover lubed and get a lid wrench so
  you
  will not need to hit the cover with a hammer. Do not tighten the bolds
  holding
  the pump together very tightly as they will pull the brass fittings out
  of the
  pump body.
  The S180T is a very small filter and unless you have the smallest IG
  pool in
  the world I would say get at least a 3.14 sq ft filter with a side mount
  valve
  such as the S244S. If indeed the pump is 1/2 HP upgrade it to at least
  3/4.
  As for the Poolvac there are exploded views on the Hayward site for all
  of
  the series Poolvacs and the cool part is that all of the internal parts
  are
  interchangeable between the old and the new except the turning mechanism
  which is
  the same between the vinyl and the new ultra. The Navgator is the same
  internally as the poolvac only the housing is different.
  Ken

• 3 Danny Fox // Apr 25, 2005 at 4:47 am

  Ken,
  Thanks again so much for your reply.
  I have to disagree with your assertion that “The sand filter is the worst”
  — I have UPGRADED to a sand filter from an old Sylvan “free-flow” filter.
  This filter was a stainless steel tank with a cloth filter “sock” inside.
  On a bad day, I could dissassemble and clean that bugger three timnes!
  With the leads you’ve given me into Hayward’s site, I have found a lot of
  exploded pics and parts lists — Thanks!
  I believe I may have a Pac-Fab filter. It is dimensionally similar to the
  S180T, but is fiberglass. You seem to indicate that this is preferred to
  the new plastic tanks — that’s good to hear. The only readable information
  on the tank is the information on the variflo valve — which I know is not
  the tank info.
  About the pressures. I had not hooked up the system, and so was just
  guessing. I now have hooked it up and turned it on, and the initial
  
  pressure at the filter is 11PSI. Throw in another 3 PSI for suction piping,
  and we are talking 30 feet of head or so. If indeed this is a 3/4 HP pump,
  I’m getting even higher flow rates than I had previously estimated — I
  could easily be over 80GPM into a 1.5 inch suction and return line. At
  double, or maybe tripple, the filter’s rated flow, am I doing any damage?
  And am I getting decent filtration? And is this why you don’t like small
  sand filters?
  Oh well.
  Thanks again!
  Harry

• 4 janis_40 // Apr 26, 2005 at 1:54 pm

  In a message dated 11/3/2003 7:47:26 AM Central Standard Time,
  HarryK@… writes:
  About the pressures. I had not hooked up the system, and so was just
  guessing. I now have hooked it up and turned it on, and the initial
  pressure at the filter is 11PSI. Throw in another 3 PSI for suction piping,
  and we are talking 30 feet of head or so. If indeed this is a 3/4 HP pump,
  I’m getting even higher flow rates than I had previously estimated — I
  could easily be over 80GPM into a 1.5 inch suction and return line. At
  double, or maybe tripple, the filter’s rated flow, am I doing any damage?
  And am I getting decent filtration? And is this why you don’t like small
  sand filters?
  Oh well.
  Thanks again!
  Harry
  Harry,
  
  You would not be getting 80gpm with 3/4 hp through 1.5 inch pipe. A 3/4 hp
  pump into that small of filter would make for high pressure and poor
  filtration. You do not want to exceed the design flow of the filter and with a
  3/4 hp
  IG pump you would. By the worst type I am referring to the ability of the
  filter to capture small particles which a sand filter will not do. Also that
  small of filter is designed for AG pools of half the size of yours and you must
  remember that keeping the pool clean is 80% filtration and 20% chemicals so
  skimping on the equipment is only going to cost you more money in the end.
  Ken

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