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• 1 janis_40 // Mar 20, 2005 at 6:05 am

  Linda,
  You said it was a Hayward 1-1/2 hp pump. If it was one of their Super II
  pumps(the Super II has six bolts holding the sides together. They are arranged
  around the outside of the motor) then you are in luck. If you have not done
  anything to it as of now and the pump has no water or antifreeze in it then just
  wait until next spring when you open up the pool again. The Super II is a
  good pump in that it tolerates running dry better than most other brands so
  hopefully next spring the most you will need to do is replace the strainer
  basket
  and the pump seal. The pump seal is about a $15.00 part and the basket is a
  bit more. What may have happened is that the remaining water was turned to
  steam by the friction of the pump seal running without water to cool it. The
  steam is hot enough to melt the basket and crack the ceramic of the seal but if
  it was not run too long then the remaining parts should have survived. If you
  wish you could unscrew the cover of the pump and check the basket but it is
  
  best to wait until spring to do anything. Besides you cannot test the pump for
  leakage anyway because there is not any water in it. Next spring remove the
  pump basket and check if it is deformed. If it is not then put everything back
  together and prime the pump. If it does not leak under the motor then
  consider yourself lucky but be warned that if it does not leak now it will
  within a
  year or so.
  Ken
  In a message dated 10/2/2003 9:31:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
  Ldubois@… writes:
  Hi
  Yesterday the pool people came and closed my IG. Same folks that did it
  last year.
  Luckily my son went out in the poolhouse around 6pm tonight to retreive
  his tapeplayer from upstairs and he heard hte filterrunning.
  He came in and my husband ran down adn sure enough. The guys turned of
  filter by the timer and never shut off the switch. The filter came on
  this am at 8am.
  I will call the pool company in the am let them know what happened and
  tell them to make note of this. The filter is only 2 seasons old. How
  long is a normal lifespan and do you this this damaged it? It a Hayward
  1 1/2 HP. I was worried about the antifreeze and the lines being sucked
  dry whatever… but husband says nothing got pumped because there was no
  prime. What do you think? Thanks L:inda

• 2 janis_40 // Mar 21, 2005 at 1:33 am

  In a message dated 10/3/2003 9:14:53 AM Central Daylight Time,
  kglosser@… writes:
  would not let this rest…….I would demand somebody with authority come
  over and troubleshoot the system NOW!!!….They will likely resist this,
  saying you have nothing to worry about..CONTACT THE HIGHEST
  I am not saying to let this rest but the down side is that they will need to
  open the pool again to test the system. The labor will be free but I do not
  think the company will pay for the water to refill the pool or the electric
  power needed to run the pump for several days. The pump may look Ok visually
  but
  in a week or a month it may start leaking. Testing it now may not find a
  problem and unless you replace the entire pump you will never be sure.
  One thing I did forget and I am sorry about this is that when a pump is run
  dry the heat not only melts the basket but can cause the PVC pipe attached to
  your pump to shrink causing the connections at the pump to leak. Again this is
  
  something that may not show up with a simple test but may show up a week or a
  month later. If you have them test it now and it is OK then they are off the
  hook for future problems.
  You need to get an agreement that they will repair problems with the pump
  related to running it dry for a period of six months or more. Be realistic and
  do not expect them to fix every thing that goes wrong with your system because
  if the motor dies that is not caused by running it dry but a pump seal leak
  is. If you need to replumb the pump it is not hard but I would use schedule 80
  PVC (grey) to do it. Just a short six to eight inch piece is fine. It will
  act as a heat sink in case this happens again.
  Ken

• 3 janis_40 // Mar 25, 2005 at 2:56 am

  In a message dated 10/3/2003 1:30:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
  kglosser@… writes:
  Naturally, Ken makes sense on this….AT LEAST GET AN AGREEMENT IN WRITING…
  (but even “in writing” today does not guarantee “in business” next
  spring……..KEN, WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL DAMAGES IN DOLLARS VS. $50 WORTH OF
  WATER?????????????????
  In all reality if the pump is a Hayward Super II then it is probably just
  fine. Possibly a new pump seal and a new basket $40.00 plus labor and also the
  possibility that the pipes might leak $50.00 to fix. So if the pool company
  goes under during the winter then yes you are out but if you did the work
  yourself to fix the pump and pipes it would cost you maybe $60.00. So $100.00
  parts
  and labor vs. $50.00 in water and electricity. If they refill the pool and
  restart the system and leave it run for a day or two and everything is fine
  then what? Next spring the pump starts leaking after a month and the pool
  
  company says we settled last fall, then what? I think the certified letter
  idea is
  a good one. If the company has been in the area for many years then there is
  no reason to expect they will be gone this winter. If she is a good customer
  and the company wishes to retain her as a customer then they will fix the
  problem.
  Now if she had a Sta-Rite Duraglass then you couls pull the pump apart and
  see the damage. With the Hayward it is not that easy.
  Ken

• 4 janis_40 // Mar 26, 2005 at 5:52 pm

  In a message dated 10/3/2003 6:28:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
  kglosser@… writes:
  Hey Ken….You love California pools…..I have a California Pool and they
  sold me a Hayward (which you don’t seem to like)
  Let us set the record straight. I like Hayward IG pumps the Super II and the
  Northstar, I like the Hayward DE and cartridge filters in that they are a
  good product but the material in the tanks could be better. I really do not
  like much of what Sta-Rite makes and the new Pentair company is a merger/buyout
  of many small pool companies including PacFab and Purex both of which have
  products I like. PacFab fiberglass filters are a rugged design and the Purex
  Whisperflow pump is great as well. These opinions were formed over years behind
  the service counter as a manager in the pool supply industry and dealing with
  companies getting warranty service.
  As far as what your dealer sold you it is not based entirely on what the
  dealer feels is the best product but who will give them the best price on
  
  equipment. If California Pools did not think Hayward was a good brand at a good
  price
  they would not sell it. I said I liked them because they are an old company
  who has stayed afloat in a sea of bankruptcy.
  Ken

• 5 janis_40 // Mar 27, 2005 at 1:21 pm

  In a message dated 10/4/2003 8:22:48 AM Central Daylight Time,
  lwps16@… writes:
  I have to agree with Ken about the Hayward pumps, I sold five to
  customers at their request and two were bad straight out of the box,
  I prefer whisperflo when it comes to pumps. Sta-rites are decent,
  but don’t stand up to the torture of commercial pools, again, I
  choose whisperflo. only my opinion.
  What models of Hayward pumps did you sell? Only the Super II and the
  Northstar are good pumps. Do you have any opinion on Emerson motors. Several
  years
  ago when AO Smith aquired Magnatec many engineers jumped ship and Emerson
  picked them up in hopes of getting a bigger share of the pool market. Needless
  to say their initial efforts were less than stellar.
  Ken

• 6 Earlene Haydee // Mar 27, 2005 at 9:50 pm

  Ken
  they were the super II’s, only they were not that super!

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